This could be the reason people are leaving, please fix it ASAP

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    Drunk



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    cactusbut

    What are you asking to be fixed?

    Seige is a ranking system. e.g if you're rank 10, you'll face people who are similar rank to you regardless of how strong/weak you are.

    Are you asking to make it so that you can be rank 1 by beating a bunch of rank 50 players and not face players who are ranked similary to you? 

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    Drunk

    A rank based system is only fair if the players are equal. Once you have those who have already cumulated all sorts of resources for 6 months in the pool, apparently it is not fair and frustrating. I am not sure why are you defending it. I can hardly imaging ANY new players will ENJOY this environment. It is surely toxic.

    I am just trying to help here, let the dev team find the problem. It is not about me to get more rewards. I don’t really care who is going to be on top. It won’t helping me too much anyway. I am not playing competitive.

    What I am asking is to avoid letting these overpowered beta dudes full of every new players screen. Making siege unplayable if of no sane people’s interest. Even for the beta players.

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    Haldol

    I agree that siege is completely broken. The problem is there aren’t enough people participating in it which leads to matches that are impossible for newer players. I suggest that siege get rid of food requirement, and change more like arena where you accumulate one attack every hour.  Without having to ‘waste’ food, more newer players might be willing to participate since you don’t have to waste food to participate. 

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    cactusbut

    You're complaining but you're not asking for anything in particular. Your main issue is that there are beta players in the game, ok but what do you want the devs to do? The seige ranking system isn't broken because it's not the real issue that's bothering you.

    Even if the devs refunded everyone gems and reset the game to zero, the same players who are on the top of the ranking system will still be there because they have spent more gems than you.

    for what it's worth when the devs asked what they should do before going global I recommended that they reset the game. They chose not to do that unfortunately.

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    Haldol

    Read the post before replying. 

    I ASKED specifically to change from requiring food to giving siege tokens that accumulate over time just like arena.  

    No one is asking for reset but to have more players in the siege so there are other players at lower level. 

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    Drunk

    I agree with haldol. Having beta players stay in the game, taking alll the good rewards is one thing. Having them all over your screen, makes siege a negative rewarding activity and frustrating experience is totally another thing.

    I really want this game to survive and shine. To do that, it needs cash flow in, but with this dire environment, why would people spent a lot? The only reason they do that in the similar game is to compete for top one. No one pay a fortune to just get to top 100. The dev team miss the incentive, for both spending money and playing siege. 

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    Drunk

    Cactusbut, I know this topic makes beta players like you feel uncomfortable. I understand you want to keep your edge and secure your 6 months advantage. That is fine. But you can’t just ignore the problem and claim it does not exist. More over, could you stay on the subject, stop mind reading what other people might think of you? We do not want to hear your personal comment on the player who have something to say about THE SUBJECT. Please. 

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    cactusbut

    I'm responding to KillingMachine not the other guy ( I don't really know what Haldol is trying to say sry ).

    I am asking what killingmachine wants because I don't quite understand your complaint. The beta player issue is irrelevant. What exactly is wrong with Seige? That you can't beat players who are similar rank to you?

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    Drunk

    When you happy looting all the new players, while they can’t have siege functioning properly, you don’t see a problem. Then It’s ok you don’t understand, cactusbut, I mean, of course you “don’t”

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    胡延洲大将军

    I feel for new players and agreed that the current siege system will be an disadvantage to new players and I appeal to Dev to pls help out & come out something feasible in order for new players to participate in

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    Publicguest

    maybe not allow beta players to participate for 6 months

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    Jplarx

    No I don’t think that would fix. But you can do reset tiers. Where you finish and reorganize the groups. And you are stuck with a set group for a week of similar ranking and combined power.

    System is busted by lack of players. I am new and ranked 11th. I find that the refresh resettled you after about an hour.

    Hard to explain but I will try. At 2pm today I hit refresh and found someone I had a chance against, targeted and won. Was able to find a second and third with maybe a refresh or two. After third opponent I got a loop of impossibles. I could choose to farm a tower and got a gold key but couldn’t do rest and retreated, no loss of rank.

    Logged back in at 4pm hit refresh and found refresh was giving me a decent batch of choices. Was able to get 2 fights in. Then ranked closed finished 11th. Could have had a chance at top 10 if I could have found 2 more in time.

    The reason I was able to even though I was getting farmed is because more people were playing and gaining similar rank. So once they got close to me I was able to pop them. Siege is different the campaign where you will always have a choice you can beat same with arena. Is it sometimes frustrated oh hell yeah. But we as more play the more our new vets can feed off the new players and eventually the new players become vets.

    Could the system be revamped oh yeah. I think the rewards to food is a bit weak but this last week I farmed at least 100 gems and a gold key. I also got a 2 astral relics. I would like to see food cost decreased by 10%. Or make the chance of reward better based on food. I got the gold key from spending 12 food not from spending 32 food on a match.

    Keep in mind the system is built on being successful by more particpants, not weaken the top. However this system does make it almost impossible for one of us to finish #1. I think the reward scale should be stretched a bit. Make top 10 get same as #1. That way top players don’t necessarily purge newbs from having a taste just because they have 6 months of gems.

    Keep in mind I don’t think siege was built with the idea someone could sit down and spend 300 food in a row and finish where the want. I think it is designed as tap it a few times a day and reap the rewards.

    Again if you think it is broken how did I finish 11th and I started two days after launch. I did because instead of complaining I watched how the match making worked and used the system. I also learned why the top were the top and looked at ways of taking advantage.

    I upgraded my forts when I had a new team member to add and not before. Making me less of a target for weaker folks.

    Sorry just ranting on a phone so I didn’t edit this but I hope folks can see some of my observations and understand that participation is the key to fixing.

    So in conclusion to fix the problem make this more enticing for new players to try. Increase rewards for the weekly payout and also increase range of weekly payouts so folks dont see the same person win it all but instead a group.

    I don’t think match making is broken but instead the lack of incentive for a new person to try and rank up is the problem.

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    Jplarx

    Update. I just spent 30 mins typing. I was rank 3 before now I’m rank 9. When I was rank 3 I couldn’t get anyone I could hit. As I got raided by 2 top players I dropped to 9. Now I hit refresh. 2 players i could raid. If I had the food I would raid 2 and likely be top 5 and have to wait for someone to hit me or sac a run and raid again. I have even tried this once, saced a cheap run found someone and ranked higher then before I sacrificed myself.

    First understand how it works then apply feedback accordingly. I agree there is a problem but I don’t think you highlighted the real problem. It is not the beta players it is the lack of tiers and the tiny range for top rewards. More players should have a chance at winning. That would make siege that much better. Again if you change top payout for the top to 10 players, Second payout tier for top 50, then top 100, then top 1000, then rating ranks. That for example I think would solve all complaints way better. Do same for arena and I would be stoked.

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    Drunk

    You miss the point here. People should not be matched with impossible foes. As to how far you can go, it’s conpletely irrelevant. it depends on how much you paid, not how good you are. This game is simple. So There just isn’t much a normal player can do, unless you paid a lot and get those legendary. But those who does not pay that much, should they also enjoy this feature? Or should they just ignore it? My whole point is fix it before more people, who do not spend a fortune to enjoy this game, leave.

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    Jplarx

    The how did I hit rank 11?

    I did not miss the point in the least. Matchmaking based on equal power means more food spent means rank 1. Your suggestion favors those that spend money and play all day. Your suggestion is flawed and is the reason many other games fail. Now I agree I didn’t have a chance in the least to get #1. Top 10 sure but not #1. As I was limited to those with similar rank. Keep in mind ranking by rating ensures the fairest means that those who have earned a spot fight each other and that their is power wall to ensure someone who spends a $100 on gems and only buys food doesn’t just get a rating higher than me who spent time building up his team.

    I read your articles you understand the tactics to play and there is some great insight but the beta players is not the problem the incentive to play this part of the game is not enticing enough to get more variety up in the higher ratings.

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    Jplarx


    Vivian
    1 day ago
    Hello Jplarx,
    This result is calculated by the matchmaking system, which depends on your rating, record of your revenge and attack. If you attacked one of the opponent, the matching results will be changed accordingly.
    Hope this could help with your question. Enjoy the time!
    Best regards,
    Vivian

     

    Again I understand your point I was matched by rating not power and I your reason to match by power would screw this up entirely. Their is a lot that goes into matching I will share devs response.

     

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    Drunk

    I did not propose to match by power. You made a logical mistake that if I deny a, then I conclude the opposite of a. No that is not the case. What I suggest is that we need to fix this dire situation that normal players are matched with impossible foes, which is frustrating. However, it does not mean the system have to match you with equal foes. That is not the same. Damn do I have to go to that far to make the logic apparent? 

    There could be lots of measures, but I think it is not our job, unless asked to, to figure which is the best way. There are professionals in the company, who will take care of it, if they see fit.

    since there is no reply from the admin for days, I guess they do not really care about it. So let it be, I will play until I don’t. Simple as that.

    again, as how you get on top, it could be that you spent a lot getting legendary heroes, you spend lots of time refreshing, you buy lots of food keep trying, you are so boring you would spend all day doing siege. All sorts of possibilities. But that is irrelevant.

    Have a nice day.

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    Drunk

    The matching is simple based on the idea that if you excel too much in your range (hero power) you will be punished with no more gain. If your range is high( strong power) then with time and effort in, as you claimed, you reach on top. But as for me, I got no luck getting any legendary hero other then the free Nestor, i don’t think you will have a chance reaching on top using my account. It’s just that our range is different. but the problem is, their is no way to reduce the ranking, so after a while I am stuck in the impossible zone for ever.

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    1988mka

    Why this don't know?
    Now when I want play for example clash of clan and see more strong players in the top should I complain to the dev and say that is not fair ..
    The answer is = of course no because this is my problem not the dev problem. .hmm there is too much players complaint especially the new. .
    Advice join strong alliance will help you too much guys to upgrade twice faster.
    Hope enjoy with the game guys because this is best game and thank you dev thumb up for you keep like that really you are the best.

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    Publicguest

    please remove beta players from raid :)

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    Jplarx

    It is not a logical mistake to assume matching by power ensures I have a fighting chance. You can see rank you can see where I fall you can see others and you can inspect them. You see can see in my rating I’m out of my league. How? Luck of draw sure inspect as I inspected you. I have a way better chance. And yes I have spent some money and yes I have some legendaries. Yes money has given advantage over ftp. And that is as it should since money is what pays the devs paychecks. I doubt I have spent the most or even a fraction of others. I spent a lot on of gems on food. That was my strategy because I saw that level equals opportunity of better return. Faster I maxed, the faster I could work on end game (siege). Again inspect me you see yes I have 2 legendaries that I have built up but bory, Rex, Atlantan, jostca, Magnus, sargano and my fav legnadary sarpendon. I got akhan (by treasure not by $$), and shemektah both are awakened, but neither have much mana in them. So yes I have had some luck. Treasure drops, with lucky random draw. Along with gold key luck.

    Your complaint and resolution is flawed as how do you ensure max expenditure is not reason I’m on top of rank. Again I recognize I probably spent more money and had luckier draws. I saw your army and yeah you couldn’t come close to rank 11 and I would be upset if you could, since I clearly have a better team. But at same time I would hope you could rank a worthy prize so you had a better chance next week. My first week I ranked low, second week I ranked much better and the rewards helped. Also being in a good alliance that has unlocked campaigns helps a lot.

    You up ranking payout range and you won’t be stuck in that impossible zone. My point is I agree there needs to be a fix otherwise with your team you hit a wall that either some good amount of money spending or a lengthy time will be needed to beat. Neither is ideal. Though I would say small purchase should not be removed as an option as devs need paychecks. Buying the biweekly and monthly subs should get anyone to a competitive level. I think that pricing is high and shouldn’t be a requirement. Monthly in mind is all one should need to be competitive, and I feel I could be, just a little slower. One should expect to spend some money on a game. FTP should not be truly free or it won’t last long. I don’t think everyone should have to pay 100s to enjoy either.

    I gave you the devs answer. They responded to me in an hour. You made this post on the weekend and complain about devs response. It’s been a little over a day wait a bit. Also don’t think your complaint is the sole thing they are looking at. Glitches should be priority then overhaul to game play.

    I agree hitting refresh 15 times to see the same 3 opponents pissed me off, I opened a ticket and shared the response. I then waited and watched how rank changed and saw that it took more players playing to create an opening. So we both agree not enough people feel the value of playing for us to get matched well. But your proposed hope that refresh should give you a viable target means you can farm your rating up based on as much food as you want to apply. Yeah they can limit it like arena but I would hate that as it would prevent me from farming essence at the rate that I have. As siege seems to be one of best ways to get mana. So sometimes I have had to sac position so I could get better targets to farm more. That way I can buy 130k mana daily. The next day I could do more.

    We might not agree on solution but I am not sure how you solve the run away spending and rating issue your solution seems to leave open.

    You haven’t addressed that issue and if you say by having a timer element then you lost my support. Because that I think that is my favorite part of siege as an alternative to arena.

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    Drunk

    I appreciate your emthusiasm into this issue. But I think you lack of a strict logic training and twisted my words too many times that I grow tied of replying them one after another.

    ”But your proposed hope that refresh should give you a viable target means you can farm your rating up based on as much food as you want to apply. ” this is not true

    Here I only point out this major flaw in your statement that your blind spot is to believe that the ranking and scoring rules cannot be changed. You only think about matching itself. That is why you can’t find a solution but accusing me of giving out a bad hope, which I didn’t have any specific one at all. Like what I said leave it to the professional to see fit. If it takes changing the scoring rule, in order to fix the matching system, so what?

    Now I think you should go back and enjoy your wins. Have a nice day. 

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    Jplarx

    Wow way to be a rude. Insults get you far in the world. Sorry that my diminshed intellengence. You haven’t really been thorough. And you are obviously patient but don’t turn into a rude person because someone either disagrees with you (god forbid our opinion is not law), or second misunderstands. I agree this is a valid topic, when people challenge you and you give up think first is it your communication style that might cause the misundestanding? Your suggestion is not thorough and leaves room for interpretation if I interpreted wrong don’t be a rude try to engage. Because lastly the betas helped shapes this game I wouldn’t punish them, but I agree they shouldn’t be the only ones who can win. And the current system makes it so. So yes it needs to change.

    I suggested we could do groupings that match like opponents with their own reward tiers. I think the problem with that is there is not enough players who are siege eligible yet.

    I agree with one of Cactus’s early post your solution is unclear. Your end is clear better matching but the proposed how is unclear.

    In fact you seem to want to use simple phrasing’s to dismiss and not avoid contributing to a conversation. I would say systematic replies are more toxic and less encouraging.

    I don’t think anyone who posted here has disagreed with your main point. Siege is broken and needs to be fixed. I have made a few suggestions and observations. I have applied my experience. I agree mine is unique to me. I agree I spent money where others may have not. But I also have two full weeks experience with siege. Killing you do not. I have also posted a moderators response. You make no reply to that.

    You complain about beta at first and then when I chime in and mention I also just started you diminish my argument because you assume (correctly) I spent money. You also assumed my draws for me here (incorrectly). My draws with legendary are only slightly based on money but more based on how I raised myself in levels and spent my gems. Spending gems on food to get more exp created more opportunities for dungeons and treasures. Then lucky pulls from treasure and dungeons for me more. Then spending food on alliance campaigns and world bosses got me lucky gold key draws. Learning how to beat daily challenges got me more gold keys. All of this irrelavant to siege needing to be fixed but my point is worked to get to rank 11 and I beat beta players in ranking. So the system is not entirely broken.

    If I a new player can get from level 0 to a higher rank than a beta player in siege means I was able to matched with players I could beat on more then one occasion. Which means you can too. But the reason you can’t right now is you are not even level 45, and second the pool of particpants is still quite low. You can see for yourself.

    Back to your point I agree it is broken. I suggest we change the rank tiers for now where there is more incentive to play. I also suggest it cost less food (just a bit), so we can attempt more. Because you can get some very good rewards playing, just like campaigns in alliance. When we get more players break them into weekly groupings or similar power so folks aren’t forced to see impossible foes. But right now see impossible foes makes sense with matching. It is not favorable but it makes sense. Unless sacrifice my spot I will probably have to wait a day for some new folks to get up a tier in rating so when I refresh I will have available folks to hit.

    Now if you would like to not be rude and maybe articulate your suggested solution more clearly you might get a warmer welcome. But reread your posts I’m not the only one who doesn’t see your suggestion as clearly as you do. I might agree and I am sorry I assumed. Obviously made an ass out of me :p. I applaud you for bringing up a valid critic and hope you feel inclined to elaborate instead of shooting people down.

    Both Hal and Public made suggestions. I don’t agree with their solutions but enjoyed seeing contributions. But remember the internet is not a place for you to find people who immediately agree, in fact you will likely see more contrarians than yes folks. And people like me who disregard syntax and grammar.

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    Drunk

    I have to say you have a talent of reading things others didn't write. My suggested solution is vague? Because I do not have one!!! My sole purpose is to point out the problem. I said this many times it’s not our job. But you care less to read , or to understand.

    Maybe I should put down “read my post but do not expand it with your imagination”. I think my title summarized my point well. No more interpretation needed. Anyhow, I want to say this politely, I am done. Find someone else. Have a nice day.

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    Jplarx

    Edit: I hate the edit feature on this sitethe phone as it doesn’t allow me to scroll down and make edits.

     

    Lol. Please fix it. How? Pointing to your title doesn’t help in the least. Maybe pointing to post leave it to the professionals. You give them no guidance surely you see the flaw and when someone like the betas asks how your shoot them down and at stay in topic.

    You really do not see where it is hard to understand how you want it fixed. Hal was the only suggestion you seemed to semiagree to.

    I am just curious about your how?

    If you post in a community board to admins please fix and don’t expand a community to use their imagination you must be new to the internet.

    Still curious about your suggestion, truly I am? I get you said leave it to the profrssionals but I think that is flawed, as I have helped shape many board games and tabletop games, you don’t leave it to the creators solely. You play test and get feedback. So share your feedback. Which you did. Next step is to share suggestions if you have any. A simple I don’t have any suggestions I would just like to see them acknowledge their is a flaw and they will take it back the drawing board would been a much better statement. Or am I assuming wrong again? I am cool with making an ass out of myself.

    I just really would rather there be a dialogue on suggestions.

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    Drunk

    Lol your obsession arose my interest. It could more likely to be your personality, rather than being picky on me. I should also apologize for being picky on you since I thought you were. I can answer some of your concern, I did not upgrade my team level for a reason, as a almost ftp player, it’s necessary. Same reason I did not spend gold on refreshing. It’s all about economics. Simple lay calculate the Input and gain, not worth it. 

    If you play board game, you must know twilight struggle. it’s a good hint how to solve inequal power.

     Now I am curious about you. How do you deal with a problem that you don’t have a solution to it?

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    Publicguest

    as i said please remove beta players from raid, arena, alliance seige for 6 months. please implement ASAP

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    Error1

    @Publicguest What you asked was like erasing beta players from the game, simply nothing left to play.

    As a beta player, i argue the following,

    1. The game have only 8 chapters now and they're not difficult, so we're already on the same level, which is 45. 

    2. Some of the global player have already came up with beta players in Arena and Siege. Of course they caught up because they spend a lot, but top beta players have spent a lot as well to be the top. 

    3. I have seen lots of beta players are actively helping global players, in forum & alliance, on world chat channel etc. Besides, global players are learning even copying from beta players in all the PVP kind of campaigns. The existence of beta players is not necessarily a disadvantage.

    Please stop nagging, which would not do any help at all.

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    Publicguest

    Please read my post carefully i simply suggest you and other beta players take a 6 month time out from arena, siege and alliance siege you keep your accounts. You can then have a special function that only allows you to find other beta players and not non beta players for siege, arena and war.

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